Is STO Canon?

Calandra Trilarck · April 24, 2018, 10:38:03 PM

Is STO considered canon for the fleet?

Solluk · April 25, 2018, 12:59:16 AM

It has been my impression thus far that the fleet is picking and choosing specific elements (like a ship design we had once) that it likes, without adopting it as canon wholesale.

James H. Hawk · April 25, 2018, 05:36:54 AM

My stance on it is that some elements can be made cannon by incorporating it into missions. My personal stance is that if it doesn't contradict actual cannon, either Offical Trek or Shadowfleet Cannon* and it is realistic (within the scope of the Star Trek Universe [STO has a lot of things that are what I'd consider to be unrealistic and in some cases borderline contradictory to cannon which are included for the sake of gameplay) I don't mind it being included. Generally, it's up to the individual ship's command teams, unless its something major.

However, it is important to note that STO is set several years after the current year (2398 I think) of Shadowfleet.

* = Shadowfleet Cannon is not well documented at all, so its hard to judge and a lot of it ("it" being what I've read on stuff like the timeline) is, in my opinion, unrealistic and makes little sense (Iconian War comes to mind, which I have a problem with in both STO and the SF Timeline but thats another topic for another day).

Calandra Trilarck · April 25, 2018, 02:55:09 PM

Well, according to Memory-Beta Kira Nerys was named Kai of Bajor on STO in 2370, I think, which I find strange. I don't know how that works with copyright but I have a thought for a mission surrounding a kai. Naira brought up a good point that while it might be good for the game, Nerys was never a character that was very religious but I guess she might be in later life. *Le shrug*

Can there be a SF world kai?

Solluk · April 25, 2018, 08:15:30 PM

Hello,

I think Kira was most definitely religious, but as a practitioner, not as a religious administrator. It would be strange to see her suddenly take a position as a Kai despite not holding any position or rank in the religious order during the 2370's. I suppose it's possible for her to have joined up and climbed the religious ranks after DS9, but I never saw her as one who would relish the politics of the religious orders.

If I had to chart a future for Kira, it wouldn't be as the Bajoran Pope. She has always had a military edge and a restlessness that puts her in the thick of the action.

Naira · April 25, 2018, 09:55:08 PM

When I said she wasn't very religious I meant in relation to Bajorans in general. Yes, she went to temple services and would occasionally pray during high stress and intense/very dramatic scenes, but she'd also roll her eyes at some of the things the religious figures said or did if she didn't agree with them. Electing her Kai would be like promoting a notable politician or military figure to Pope on the basis that they regularly attend church and can occasionally be seen praying in public. I'm sure the more religiously devote members of Bajor wouldn't be too happy about that.

Ian Galloway · April 25, 2018, 10:27:16 PM

I cannot see Kira as Kai on any level, while very spiritual and deeply committed to her faith, I don't see her ever joining a religious order.

Calandra Trilarck · April 26, 2018, 12:02:05 AM

Sorry, Naira, I shouldn't have spoken on your behalf but yes, I agree with what you and Solluk said. It's the equivalent of a person who only goes to church when they're going through something dramatic and then they become the Pope. That's like something you have to be groomed your whole life for. I do see her with a career in military or government but the religious leader? That's a stretch for me.

Yeah, I don't see her as kai at all. To kai or not to kai, that is the question.

Kirok · April 27, 2018, 06:40:03 PM

Quote from: Calandra Trilarck on April 24, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
Is STO considered canon for the fleet?

We do not consider STO canon.

James H. Hawk · April 28, 2018, 08:25:17 AM

To my knowledge, there has not been an established Kai in SF, so as far as I'm aware there's nothing stopping someone from making one if they are writing a mission that requires a Kai.

Calandra Trilarck · May 01, 2018, 08:29:34 PM

Thank you all! This has been a very productive, helpful chat!

Naira · May 01, 2018, 09:03:15 PM

Quote from: James H. Hawk on April 28, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
To my knowledge, there has not been an established Kai in SF, so as far as I'm aware there's nothing stopping someone from making one if they are writing a mission that requires a Kai.

Would should totally make up one. We have a bunch of Bajorans on the site now and I'm sure at least one of them might want to mention a name in passing.

Solluk · May 02, 2018, 10:43:16 AM

"I'm sure at least one of them might want to mention a name in passing. "

It may well be that there have been several Kais mentioned, to nobody's knowledge, in different posts at different times. We keep no record of such mentions in any official capacity.

Federation Presidents. The leaders of various worlds. The name of the overall Fleet Admiral.

They may never have been named. Or they may have been named multiple times, possibly with different names at different times.

I know having a Fleet wiki wasn't an entirely popular notion, but I wouldn't mind having one as an information resource.

Dylan Torngate · May 02, 2018, 12:06:45 PM

Quote from: Solluk on May 02, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
"I'm sure at least one of them might want to mention a name in passing. "

It may well be that there have been several Kais mentioned, to nobody's knowledge, in different posts at different times. We keep no record of such mentions in any official capacity.

Federation Presidents. The leaders of various worlds. The name of the overall Fleet Admiral.

They may never have been named. Or they may have been named multiple times, possibly with different names at different times.

I know having a Fleet wiki wasn't an entirely popular notion, but I wouldn't mind having one as an information resource.

Given this I'm gonna come up with a list of VIP's:

Kai: Bob

Fed Pres: Chuck

FADM: Craig

Tekin Nevir · May 02, 2018, 12:44:58 PM

Quote from: Solluk on May 02, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
"I'm sure at least one of them might want to mention a name in passing. "

It may well be that there have been several Kais mentioned, to nobody's knowledge, in different posts at different times. We keep no record of such mentions in any official capacity.

Federation Presidents. The leaders of various worlds. The name of the overall Fleet Admiral.

They may never have been named. Or they may have been named multiple times, possibly with different names at different times.

I know having a Fleet wiki wasn't an entirely popular notion, but I wouldn't mind having one as an information resource.

I'm in support of a wiki.

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